Is abortion just another political issue—or is it one of the defining spiritual and cultural battles of our time?
In this episode of The John Lovell Show, John sits down with pro-life activist, author, and filmmaker Seth Gruber for a wide-ranging conversation about abortion in America, the Christian response to the abortion industry, spiritual warfare, the early church, and what it will take to preserve Western civilization.
📕 Get Seth Gruber’s book, The Last Stand: Christ or Chaos — The War for the West:
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Seth breaks down the argument behind his viral “demonic counterfeit to communion” message and explains why he believes abortion cannot be separated from the broader spiritual, cultural, and philosophical battles facing America.
John and Seth also discuss the dramatic changes to the abortion fight following the overturning of Roe v. Wade, the growing role of the abortion pill, and a major divide within the modern pro-life movement over what legal protection for unborn children should actually look like.
They also explore the forgotten history of Christian resistance, the courage of the early church, the responsibility of pastors and Christian men to defend innocent life, and why Seth believes Christians today need to recover a blueprint for faithfulness that previous generations understood.
In this episode:
• Why Seth calls abortion a spiritual battle
• “My body, my choice” and the counterfeit of communion
• The abortion industry and the spiritual significance Seth sees behind it
• Why protecting the unborn should matter to men who call themselves protectors
• What Christians can practically do to fight abortion
• The role of churches, pastors, and sidewalk ministry
• How abortion has changed since Roe v. Wade was overturned
• The abortion pill and the fight for equal protection• The divide within the modern pro-life movement
• What the early church can teach Christians today
• Christian courage in an increasingly hostile culture
• Seth Gruber’s White Rose Resistance
• The story and message behind The Last Stand book and film
• Why remembering Christian history may be critical to the future of the West
🎬 Learn more about The Last Stand film:
https://thelaststand.film
🌹 Learn more about Seth Gruber and White Rose Resistance:
https://thewhiterose.life
CHAPTERS
0:00 The Biggest Fight of Our Time
2:19 Abortion & the “Demonic Counterfeit” to Communion
29:16 How Christians Can Get in the Fight
35:02 Courage, the Church & Charlie
51:52 The Last Stand: What the Church Forgot
59:49 Ancient Rome, IVF & the Commodification of Children
1:12:59 The Divide Inside the Pro-Life Movement
1:25:11 The Last Stand Film & Book
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