You don’t need more tools. You need a way to know when and where to use them. And when you finally stop trying to figure it all out… That’s when everything starts to click.
In this bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast, Anna sits down with LTAP® Level 1 alum Jillian Egan, a massage therapist, Pilates instructor, and movement practitioner based in Los Angeles.
Jillian shares her evolution from traditional massage therapy into a more integrated, whole-organism approach, and how discovering LTAP® completely shifted how she assesses, treats, and understands the human body. With a background in dance, movement, and manual therapy, she had already built a strong foundation but was still missing a clear system to guide where to start treatment and why.
This conversation explores what happens when you stop chasing symptoms and start listening to the body.
They dive into: - Why having more techniques isn’t the problem and what actually is - How LTAP® gave Jillian a clear, repeatable assessment to guide treatment - Integrating the nervous system and viscera into manual therapy and movement work - The shift from “figuring it out” to letting the body lead -Why results should change quickly—and what it means when they don’t - Using clinical patterns to identify when something deeper (or medical) is going on - How this work improves both patient outcomes and practitioner sustainability
Jillian also shares powerful clinical examples—from resolving shoulder pain through visceral work to identifying cases that required medical referral—highlighting how this approach leads to both better results and better decision-making.
Beyond technique, this episode speaks to something deeper: the personal shift that happens when you let go of needing to be the expert and instead become someone who truly listens.
Considering the viscera as a source of musculoskeletal pain and dysfunction is a great way to ensure a more true whole body approach to care, however it can be a bit overwhelming on where to start, which is exactly why I created the Visceral Referral Cheat Sheet. This FREE download will help you to learn the most common visceral referral patterns affecting the musculoskeletal system. Download it at www.unrealresultspod.com
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