In this special video episode Caroline and Liz are back to discuss Lucy Letby - focusing on the facts and context of the case. Joining them in the studio is Press Association Reporter, Kim Pilling, who covered every day of the trial and believes more balance is needed in the ongoing conversations. They discuss how cherry-picking certain elements of the case, while omitting key information, has created a false narrative about what the jury actually heard over the 10-month trial and ultimately why they found Lucy Letby guilty of killing and harming babies.


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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull

Guest: Kim Pilling

Editor: Tom James and Chelsey Ranore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Assistant Producer: Harriet Muckle

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini


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