Enjoy my conversation with Jac Marino Chen, ex-occultist who was being pulled into darker and darker rituals and spiritual encounters, saved from darkness and addiction by Jesus.

Her story really hammers home the darkness of the trendy ‘new age’…

Find Jac on instagram, her website, her youtube, or her new podcast with Doreen Virtue and Jen Nizza: New Age to New Heart.

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