Episode 132: The Experience Gap — Why IT still isn't listening the way it should

Sami Kallio, CEO and co-founder of HappySignals, joins Barclay and Ian to reflect on 12 years of measuring employee experience in IT — and what the data tells us about how the industry has and hasn't changed.

The conversation covers why happiness scores alone don't tell the full story, and why lost time has become one of the more honest indicators of whether IT is genuinely helping people do their jobs. Sami shares early findings from the upcoming benchmark report, including the perhaps surprising persistence of local IT support as a top complaint, and emerging data on AI adoption suggesting around half of employees already feel more efficient as a result.

There's also a candid discussion about the growing partnership between HappySignals and Nexthink, and what it means to combine perception data with technical telemetry. And Sami offers his view on where experience management needs to go: from something that happens after the fact to something that shapes service delivery from the start.