How do you explain emotional abuse to the people around you when you can barely explain it to yourself? In this episode, the roles are reversed. High-conflict divorce coach Eleanor Marks interviews Renee about her new book, This Is Not Okay, and the eleven years of healing behind it.

They talk about the "catching a ghost" feeling of self-doubt so many survivors of covert narcissistic abuse know, the kind of abuse that leaves no bruises, why family and friends often can't see what you're living, and how to untangle yourself, whether you stay or leave.

Get This Is Not Okay at Amazon or at Renee's website www.covertnarcissism.com

Facing a divorce? Eleanor's six-week Divorcing a Covert Narcissist group starts November 9, 2026, on Zoom. Register at www.covertnarcissism.com or contact Eleanor at https://EleanorMarks.net.

Ready for deeper support on your own healing journey? Learn about Renee's coaching at www.covertnarcissism.com, and make sure you're subscribed so you never miss an episode.

The Covert Narcissism Podcast is for educational and informational purposes only. Nothing shared here should be taken as professional mental health advice. If you are in crisis or need support, please reach out to a licensed mental health professional.


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