On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene welcomes back Lauren Saidel-Baker, economist at ITR Economics, for a wide-ranging conversation about where the economy stands today and how investors should think about the years ahead. Returning after her earlier appearance discussing unbiased and apolitical forecasting, Lauren brings an updated perspective on inflation, interest rates, real estate, AI, demographic shifts, and why long-term planning matters more than reacting to headlines.
Lauren explains how economists approach uncertainty by relying on historical precedent instead of daily news cycles. While current events—from geopolitical conflict to inflation concerns—create volatility and attention-grabbing narratives, she shares why forecasting requires stepping back and focusing on long-term indicators rather than constant reactions. The conversation explores how factors like energy prices, wage pressure, consumer sentiment, and affordability continue shaping the economy even when individual headlines dominate public attention.
Jonathan and Lauren also dive into what these trends mean specifically for real estate investors. They discuss why housing affordability remains strained, how builders may still be creating the wrong types of homes for today's buyers, and why demographic and migration trends matter more than broad national narratives. Lauren explains how investors should think about interest rates, local market dynamics, and positioning themselves for long-term opportunity instead of waiting for perfect market conditions.
The episode also revisits one of Lauren's most discussed forecasts: the economic challenges projected around 2030. She outlines why demographic shifts, government spending obligations, and debt pressures remain central themes in ITR's long-term outlook and explains why preparation—not fear—is the right response. Rather than viewing downturns as disasters, Lauren emphasizes that periods of disruption often create extraordinary opportunities for investors who remain disciplined, stay informed, and maintain flexibility in their financial decisions.
In this episode, you will hear:
• Why economists rely on historical precedent instead of reacting to daily headlines
• How inflation, energy prices, and interest rates continue shaping real estate markets
• Why affordability challenges and migration trends are changing housing demand
• What investors should understand about AI, productivity, and long-term economic growth
• Why Lauren continues to emphasize planning ahead for the economic shifts expected around 2030
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Supporting Resources
Connect with Lauren:
Website - https://itreconomics.com/
Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@ITREconomics
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itreconomics
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-saidel-baker/
Other Resources - https://hubs.la/Q04kKs-k0
Connect with Jonathan:
Podcast - www.zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com
YouTube - www.youtube.com/JonathanGreenere
Instagram - www.instagram.com/zenrealestateinvesting
Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene
Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/TrustGreene
Facebook - www.facebook.com/zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting
Jonathan's Hub Site - www.trustgreene.com
Brokerage - https://www.streamlined.properties
This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.
