For 30 years, Clarence Carter worked inside America's public assistance system under two presidents, four governors, and a mayor. In this episode, he joins John Odermatt to explain why the safety net designed to lift people out of poverty often keeps them trapped instead, and what a better system could look like.
Carter draws on his three decades of experience — including transforming Washington DC's homeless services program and leading welfare reform in Virginia — to argue that the problem isn't a lack of funding, but a lack of clear purpose. He walks through the 114 federal programs that make up the safety net, why they measure compliance instead of outcomes, and what it would take to build a system focused on growing people beyond dependency rather than managing it. Along the way, he shares personal stories, from handing out apartment keys to former shelter residents to a welfare recipient's tearful first paycheck, that illustrate what real freedom from the system looks like, and makes the case for a whole-of-society approach involving government, business, faith communities, and everyday citizens.
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Chapters:
0:00 – Introduction
0:58 – Sponsor message & guest introduction
3:18 – Why Clarence stayed 30 years in public service
4:11 – Transforming DC's homeless program
10:48 – The core problem: a system with no clear objective
15:37 – Can government solve this alone?
24:45 – Reimagining the safety net from scratch
34:14 – Building bipartisan support
38:13 – What keeps Clarence going after 30+ years
43:45 – The Wizard of Oz story & closing thoughts
Book: Our Net Has Holes in It by Clarence H. Carter — available on Amazon: https://amzn.to/4vW3syo
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