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In this episode, I'm joined by Dr. Angie Pepper, moral and political philosopher at the University of Roehampton, whose research focuses on what we owe to other animals. We move past the usual question of whether an individual pet is well cared for and look at pet keeping as an institution: the norms and roles that give humans near-total control over companion animals.

We discuss why Angie argues this control can't be justified even in loving homes, how animals can express assent and dissent, and what changed between her earlier work on human–animal relationships and the abolishment of pet keeping.

About:

Angie Pepper, a moral and political philosopher and lecturer in philosophy at the University of Roehampton. Her expertise is in contemporary political philosophy, applied ethics, normative ethics, and analytic feminist philosophy. Her recent research focuses on what we owe to other animals, including animal agency.

Papers:

Pets, Power, and Legitimacy (2025)

Interspecies justice: agency, self-determination, and assent

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