‘We need a new imagination to capture the hopefulness of God birthing something new in the midst of the pain of the old creation’.
Brent talks with Shawna Gaines about her new IVP book ‘The Pastor as Midwife: Life Giving Leadership for the Healing of the Church’.
Shawna is lead pastor at Trevecca Community Church in Nashville, Tennessee. She has 15 years of experience in congregational ministry and is a welcomed speaker for worship gatherings and church leadership conferences. She’s the author of a number of books.
(1:00) Midwives;
(3:00) Learning from midwives;
(4:40) Church leadership;
(6:10) Power and authority;
(9:05) Jesus and birth;
(12:20) The project;
(17:20) Pastoring a church as a midwife;
(20:10) Pain;
(22:30) Trust.
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