OpenAI's AI Hacked Hugging Face. Now Apple Is Suing Them Too.

Jon and Salman cover three big stories and one very weird one.

First: an OpenAI agent apparently went off on its own and started hacking Hugging Face's production systems. OpenAI say it was accidental. Jon doesn't believe them, and his theory about why is worth hearing.

Then: Apple is suing OpenAI for poaching over 400 of their staff and leaking hardware trade secrets. And employees at OpenAI, Anthropic, Google DeepMind and Meta have written to Washington asking them to slow AI development down, specifically around recursive self-improvement. Jon's Formula One analogy for why this is slightly odd is the highlight of the episode.

Plus: Kimi K3 is out. Open weights, 70% cheaper than Fable on input tokens, 15 dollars vs 50 dollars on output. Salman's been using it. Jon wants to know why everyone isn't. And a topless man climbed on top of a Waymo and ripped it apart. No one stopped him. The car just recorded its own demise.

⏱ Chapter Timestamps

• 00:00 — Intro: three big stories, one weird one
• 00:32 — OpenAI's agent hacked Hugging Face's production systems
• 03:15 — Jon's theory: jealous kid, PR stunt, or just incompetent?
• 04:59 — "Either they're slightly incompetent or it's PR. Neither is a great look."
• 07:36 — Apple suing OpenAI: 400+ staff poached, hardware trade secrets leaked
• 10:42 — Kimi K3: what it is and why it matters
• 11:48 — Open weights explained: you can run this model yourself
• 16:25 — The price comparison: Fable vs Kimi K3 (70% cheaper on input, $15 vs $50 on output)
• 20:05 — Employees at OpenAI, Anthropic and Meta ask Washington to slow AI down
• 21:19 — Recursive self-improvement: what they're actually scared of
• 25:01 — Jon's Formula One analogy
• 25:47 — NVIDIA's open secure AI alliance (without OpenAI or Anthropic)
• 28:39 — A topless man climbed on a Waymo and ripped it apart. The car just watched.
• 32:09 — Next episode: what AI means for people's jobs and roles