Matt sits down with Michael Kadnar to talk about the underground! Mike has had a lot of success with his label Silent Pendulum Records as well as bands including Downfall of Gaia and So Hideous! We get deep into what makes scenes work and community building. Check out his label here: https://www.instagram.com/silent_pendulum_records/?hl=en Check out Blacklight Media the label that sponsors this podcast here: https://www.instagram.com/blacklightmediaofficial/

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