In episode 20 of the Defra Farming podcast, guest host Hannah Barrett—a Catchment Sensitive Farming adviser in the East of England—speaks with Norfolk farmer Charlie Ennals and Cambridgeshire farmer Thomas Gent.
Together, they explore how working with nature can help farms become more resilient in the face of changing weather patterns, rising costs and increasing uncertainty.
Charlie shares how gradual changes—such as cover cropping, introducing livestock and improving soil organic matter—have helped her farm retain moisture in dry springs while maintaining productivity. Thomas reflects on nearly two decades of no-till farming, highlighting the role of soil structure, drainage and machinery decisions in reducing costs and improving performance.
They discuss the realities behind these systems, including what hasn’t worked, the importance of patience during transition, and how collaboration—whether sharing machinery or working with neighbours—can help spread risk and reduce costs.
The conversation focuses on practical steps farmers can take, from improving water infiltration and reducing inputs to using data and precision farming tools to make better business decisions.
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