TROS 25: Inverse Immolation Scene (Minutes 121-125 with Ender Smith)

The good guys win! Reylo kiss! Ben Solo dies! Minutes 121-125 of The Rise of Skywalker are packed with action, romance, and melty 'splody faces. Joining me today is Ender Smith (AKA AurekFonts), who talks with me about subjective sound design, chiastic structure, how character deaths are scored in Star Wars, and more!

Timestamps:

0:00 - Hello there! 8:38 - "Avengers" moment slotted into the Force theme. 14:15 - Victory theme. 23:40 - Mallets as an orchestration tool. 27:30 - What even is the Rebel Fanfare anymore? 38:22 - Finn feeling the Force. 39:11 - Subjective sound design choices. 45:58 - Thud + timpani hit when Ben grabs the ledge. Ben's ascent. 50:44 - Kylo Ren "aggressive-lite" theme. 1:00:30 - "Inverse" Immolation Scene. 1:05:08 - Uber-romantic Rey's theme, tumbling down and climbing up. 1:12:27 - The music before Rey/Ben kiss is reused in an earlier part of the film. 1:22:53 - Ben Solo's Redemption (incidental motif) and brass chorales in Star Wars. 1:25:54 - The music accompanying various character deaths in Star Wars. 1:36:07 - Chiastic structure. 1:39:58 - Ben Solo vs. Anakin Skywalker. 1:45:44 - Thoughts about The Kiss and Ben Solo's death. 2:01:48 - Two-pronged approaches to victory in Star Wars (military strategy and Force strategy). 2:10:48 - Thoughts on the Citizen's Fleet showing up. 2:17:49 - SWMM Questionnaire.

Things to Check Out:

Barber: Adagio for Strings, Op. 11 - https://youtu.be/ajaMdRv0IK0?si=jBvX7-Q3-2coOfuR Pavane for a Dead Princess (Maurice Ravel): https://youtu.be/GKkeDqJBlK8?si=HmHnJjzKyCF9T8C4 Qui-Gon Death Scene: https://youtu.be/3Yaug3Xh7oQ?t=155 Chiastic structure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiastic_structure Tchaikovsky: 'Romeo and Juliet' Fantasy Overture https://youtu.be/f6qZUCi7ToQ?si=aRIdulRl6YVWgTbU Complete Catalogue of the Musical Themes of Star Wars (by Frank Lehman): https://franklehman.com/starwars/

Musical Themes:

3. Force 58. Victory 2. Rebel Fanfare 45a. Rey A (Theme A-Phrase) 45b. Rey A (Theme B-Phrase) 41a. Kylo Ren A (Aggressive) 116) Bittersweetness 113) Ben Solo's Redemption

Where are we in the soundtrack?:

OST 15. "The Force Is with You" FYC 21. "Rescue" FYC 22. "Farewell" OST 16. "Farewell"

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STAR WARS MUSIC MINUTE QUESTIONNAIRE:

1. In exactly 3 words, what does Star Wars sound like?

New answer: Mature score; improv. ESB season: Colorful, rollercoaster, crosstalk. Solo season: Actually close enough. (to John Williams) ANH season: California radio voiceovers

2. What's something related to Star Wars music or sound that you want to learn more about?

New answer: How the scoring process was done for the sequel trilogy. John Williams reportedly wrote a lot more music for this film than was actually used. Why? ESB season: The various vocal effects used for aliens and glissando lizards. He'd like to create a plug-in for a DAW. Solo season: How musical notation works in Star Wars. What does Bith notation look like for the Cantina Band? How about Max Rebo's charts? Does he read sheet music or play by ear? ANH season: The making of one musical cue from start to finish

3. What's a score or soundtrack you're fond of besides anything Star Wars?

New answer: Lord of the Rings (composed by Howard Shore), The Muppet Christmas Carol (composed by Miles Goodman with songs written by Paul Williams) ESB season: Looper (composed by Nathan Johnson) Solo season: The Village (composed by James Newton Howard) ANH season: Knives Out (composed by Nathan Johnson)

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Guest: Ender Smith (AurekFonts)

Twitter: https://twitter.com/AurekFonts BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/aurekfonts.bsky.social Github: https://aurekfonts.github.io/ More fonts: https://crowntype.com/ Womprat (Star Wars font): https://womprat.xyz

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