In this episode of No Way, Jose!, host Jose Galison sits down with fellow OKC Bombing researcher Sven Safarow to examine the intersecting stories of Carol Howe and Andreas Strassmeir. They begin with Jon Ronson’s The Debutante and its epilogue covering Howe’s death, laying out why they found the journalism incomplete and the circumstances surrounding her passing—along with the murky sourcing—highly suspicious.
The conversation then turns to Strassmeir and the rare multi-hour interview he recently gave, one of only a handful of substantial public accounts from living figures tied to these events. Safarow, based in Germany, brings specialized perspective on the Strassmeir lore that is sharpened by that interview, as the two dig into what it does and does not clarify about his role and connections.
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