In this conversation, Joanne Banks interviews Victoria Graf about her work in the field of inclusive education. Graf discusses her early career and how she became interested in working with students with disabilities. She also talks about the importance of teacher education and the challenges of creating inclusive education systems. Graf highlights the tensions and issues in inclusive education today, including resistance to the term 'inclusion' and the need for better models of inclusive practice. She also discusses her work in Northern Ireland and the challenges faced in creating a more inclusive education system there.
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