Ten years ago, then-Speaker Paul Ryan and Ways and Means Chairman Kevin Brady released the "Better Way" Tax Plan — the blueprint that would eventually become the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. In this special anniversary episode of The Deduction, hosts Erica York and Kyle Hulehan sit down with the plan's original architects to talk through how it came together, the bold bets they made (and the ones that didn't pan out, like the border adjustment tax), what a decade of hindsight reveals about its economic impact, and where tax reform goes from here.
GUESTS Paul Ryan — Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives; former Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee Kevin Brady — Former Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee
HOSTS Erica York & Kyle Hulehan, Tax Foundation
TIMESTAMPS 0:00 – Cold Open: The Walgreens Story 0:35 – Welcome to The Deduction 1:19 – How the Better Way Tax Plan Began 3:12 – Becoming Speaker and Ways & Means Chair 4:57 – Why They Decided to "Go Bold" 6:18 – The Vision: Ending Corporate Inversions 7:33 – Destination-Based Cash Flow Tax & Border Adjustment 9:58 – Designing a Tax Code Built for Growth 10:53 – The 2019 Results: Wages, Poverty & Inequality 14:01 – Why Border Adjustment Didn't Survive Politically 19:37 – The Corporate Rate as the "Crown Jewel" 22:14 – Stopping the Inversion Wave 23:36 – What's the Next Motivator for Tax Reform? 25:22 – Kevin's Wishlist: What They'd Still Change 27:21 – House vs. Senate: What Got Left on the Table 28:57 – Revenue Neutrality and the National Debt 30:38 – Winning Over Industry: Building Trust 32:10 – The Case for Entitlement Reform 34:07 – Fixing a Broken Budget Process 38:23 – Final Thoughts: Why Think Tanks Matter 39:51 – The Tax Foundation's Role Then and Now
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