This week, we're taking a break and sharing something special, from Talk Easy, part of our podcast network at Higher Ground.

On Talk Easy, host Sam Fragoso shares deeply researched conversations with actors, politicians, activists and so many others, getting guests to open up in ways they haven't before. In this episode, Sam talks with Mrs. Obama. They get into her pivot to podcasting, her version of doomscrolling, and why these times are janky. She describes the complicated dynamics of life inside (and outside) the White House, the enduring influence of her late mother, the beloved Marian Robinson, and how her hard-fought belief in the American people has never faltered.

For more episodes, watch and listen to Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts.

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