Two huge stories. Two very different emotional experiences.

In this episode, Jeff Elkins and Tom Holbrook sit down for a spoiler-filled conversation about Spider-Man: Brand New Day and Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey.

But this is not just a movie review.

It is a craft conversation for authors.

Jeff and Tom dig into why some stories feel emotionally satisfying while others feel impressive but distant. They talk about spectacle, stakes, character wounds, nonlinear structure, callbacks, moral choices, emotional payoff, and the difference between a story that feels big and a story that actually lands.

Along the way, they compare Spider-Man's ground-level vulnerability with the epic scope of The Odyssey, unpack how Tom Holland's performance creates instant emotional connection, and look at what Christopher Nolan does well when building structure, symbols, trauma, and mythic weight.

This episode is for authors who want to understand why readers care.

Not just why a plot works.

Not just why a world feels big.

But why a character's pain, choices, relationships, and emotional movement are what make a story memorable.

Listen in if you are writing fantasy, sci-fi, thrillers, superhero stories, epic fiction, or anything with high stakes; and you want those stakes to matter on a human level.

Because spectacle may get attention.

But emotion is what makes the story stay.

Podden och tillhörande omslagsbild på den här sidan tillhör Jeff Elkins. Innehållet i podden är skapat av Jeff Elkins och inte av, eller tillsammans med, Poddtoppen.