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  Scott Mellinger has spent more than three decades helping shape underground heavy music through his work with Zao, Creation Is Crucifixion, and a host of other projects. In this conversation, we look back at the evolution of metalcore and hardcore, the DIY ethos that sustained the scene, the changing music industry, songwriting, creativity, faith, politics, and what it takes to remain relevant without chasing trends after 30-plus years.

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