Vladimir Novakovski sits down with Andy & Robbie to break down the Lighter bull thesis from The Tokenization Tower in NYC. We discuss Lighter's escape hatch design that lets every participant exit through Ethereum even if the protocol fails, why the RFQ model is the key to bootstrapping liquidity for pre-IPO and RWA perps, and why getting Citadel and US institutional capital on chain is the biggest unlock the perp market hasn't hit yet. He's working with the CFTC to make that happen.
Vladimir Novakovski is CEO of Lighter, a decentralized perp exchange built on top of Ethereum with an institutional-grade security-first architecture.
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:37 Perp Market Awareness Today
03:26 Pitching Institutions On Lighter
05:28 Ethereum Security And Escape Hatch
07:54 How Market Makers Stay Comfortable
11:17 How Lighter Bootstraps Liquidity
12:35 Pre-IPO Perp Durability
15:37 Build In-House Or Composable
19:29 US Regulatory Path For Perps
23:29 CFTC Innovation Council Insights
26:39 Questions For Commissioner Hester Peirce
28:07 Team Culture And Miami Office
32:26 Founder Decision Making Framework
34:46 AI Agents And Lighter's Stack
37:30 Perps Market Structure Long View
41:21 Power Law Or Distributed Market?
Guest Socials:
Vladimir Novakovski X: https://x.com/vnovakovski
Lighter X: https://x.com/Lighter_xyz
Lighter Website: https://lighter.xyz/
Partners:
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