The Vegan Society's second Empathy Index is out and has some (mainly) encouraging data about animal use - and some data that aligns very closely with Project Phoenix's latest research into attitudes towards factory farming.   But how do we reconcile people's expressed values about animals and what they actually eat, wear and use?   Alexander Huntley from The Vegan Society and Project Phoenix's Dr. Laila Kassam discuss the data and the dilemma on the Vegan Pod.

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