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Episode 358 with Daniel Peña, Author of How to Look Away: On American Cruelty and the Refusal to Disappear, Spirited & Thorough Chronicler of Human & Humane Stories & the Micro that Impacts the Macro

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Notes and Links to Daniel Peña’s Work

 

  Daniel Peña is a Pushcart Prize-winning writer and Associate Professor of Creative Writing.  Formerly, he was based out of the UNAM in Mexico City where he worked as Fulbright-Garcia Robles Scholar. A graduate of Cornell University and a former Picador Guest Professor in Leipzig, Germany, his writing has appeared in Ploughshares, The Rumpus, the Kenyon Review, Texas Monthly, NBC News, and The New York Times Magazine among  other venues. He’s currently a regular contributor to the Guardian and the Ploughshares blog. His debut collection of essays, HOW TO LOOK AWAY is out now from One World books. He splits his time between Dallas, Mexico City, and a tiny farm in Germany. 

 

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At about 1:00, Daniel talks about purchasing info for How to Look Away, tour events, and his mindset four days before the book’s Pub Day 

At about 4:30, Daniel talks about his Texas sports’ loyalties 

At about 12:55, David responds to Pete’s questions about his childhood language and literature life

At about 20:55, Pete highlights Alfredo Corchado’s work as he asks Daniel about formative writers and writing in his life, including work by Francisco Goldman and Corchado

At about 25:15, Pete asks Daniel’s choice in titling his book and implications for the title

At about 29:45, Daniel talks about movement and its importance and connects it to COVID and George Floyd protests 

At about 34:00, Daniel outlines his experience in September 2014 in protests re: Ayotzinapa, and the importance of riots in a democracy

At about 36:40, the two discuss the individualistic ethic and the “intens[ity]” of the early pandemic

At about 37:40, Daniel talks about the strangeness of writing and parenthood during the pandemic 

At about 39:35, The two discuss the ways in which self-regulating industries have worked, including crypto companies/businesspeople as featured in Daniel's book

At about 42:35, The two reflect on the ways in which institutions have failed people of color, and how crypto has failed so many; Daniel references “creating the worse parts of humanity”  Nefando by Monica Ojeda and Labatut’s When We Cease to Understand the World

At about 46:30, Daniel talks about critical free speech issues in 2026

At about 47:45, Pete asks Daniel about a main topic of the book-the compulsion to gaze at disaster; Daniel references Primo Levi and “useless violence”

At about 50:25, Daniel talks about an “epiphany” he had in researching for the book

At about 51:35, Daniel reflects on ideas of survival and “what’s done in our names”

At about 52:40, Pete and Daniel discuss traumas and “forms of disappearance”  

At about 55:40, The two discuss the tragic story of Aliana featured in the book

At about 59:10, Pete highlights areas of joy featured in the book

At about 1:01:00, Daniel discusses the cruelty involved with family separation through immigration policies

 

 

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    Please tune in for Episode 359 with Kristen Millares Young, A prize-winning novelist, journalist and essayist, Kristen Millares Young is the author of the memoir Desire Lines, forthcoming from Red Hen Press and Brilliance Audio on October 6, 2026, and the novel Subduction, named a staff pick by The Paris Review. “Kristen Millares Young will take readers along on her journey of discovery as she publishes her debut memoir this year,” writes People Magazine in its exclusive cover reveal for Desire Lines, named a “Most Anticipated Feminist Book of 2026” by Ms. Magazine. 

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