A podcast about food, biology, and the surprising lessons animals have to teach us humans about what and how to eat. In this series, novelist Charlotte Wood talks with renowned University of Sydney biologists David Raubenheimer and Steve Simpson about their 35 years of work and friendship, and the resulting research findings that provocatively challenge long-held beliefs about nutrition and human health. In the process, we take a look at the serendipitous connections that often lie at the heart of good science, and the insights scientists share with artists.