Pulitzer-prize winner Deborah Blum comes onto the pod to talk about her groundbreaking book - The Monkey Wars. Written in 1994 but reading like it was written today, the fraught ethical issues it touches on are as relevant as ever.
Deborah and Jamie dig into the ethical basis for animal rights, the utilitarian nature of arguments on both sides and discuss the ever-changing terrain of one of science's fiercest debates.
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