Comedian, podcaster, radio presenter and bona fide history nerd Pierre Novellie joins Katherine in The Clearing for this week’s episode. 


A geekfest of language and ideas, they launch straight into the etymology of the word ‘dork’, why you can’t choose your own clown as a stand-up, and the politics around the changing language of autism. Like Katherine, Pierre received a late neurodivergence diagnosis. Unlike Katherine, his came after a heckler suggested he might be autistic during a live stand-up show.  


A lovely, chewy episode for the brain, with Katherine bidding for them to be the hosts of ‘The Rest is Neurodivergence’ and Pierre sprinkling his imagined getaway with some Orkney magic. 


Katherine’s new book, Tending: How Care Binds the World is out in March and you can pre-order it here https://katherine-may.co.uk/tending


Links from the episode:


Pierre’s website https://www.pierrenovellie.com/ 

Pierre’s book Why Can't I Just Enjoy Things 

Pierre’s BBC Radio 4 show https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002pfbr 

Pierre’s gaming podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/button-boys/id1827054353 

Baldur’s Gate 3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate_3 

Kingdom Come: Deliverance II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Come:_Deliverance_II 

Portugese writer Antonio Lobo Antunes 

Night Watch by Rembrandt at the Rijksmuseum 


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