Hosts Fran Chismar and Tom Knezick connect with Willow Defebaugh (Co-Founder of Atmos, Podcast Host The Nature Of, Author The Overview: Meditations on Nature for a World in Transition) to discuss connectivity and deep ecology. Topics include allowing grace and reverence help guide our journey, connecting with nature by listening, allowing nature to teach us beyond words, allowing queer ecology to see what a traditional environmental lens may miss, and what gives Willow a sense of hope. Music by Egocentric Plastic Men, Outro music by Dave Bennett.

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