In this episode, Ezra Karmel speaks with Prof. F Gregory Gause III. The discussion focuses on current developments in the Middle East (including the recent conflict involving Iran, Israel, and the United States) and considers how Gause's analytical framework helps us understand contemporary regional politics.

The conversation is inspired by a recent Middle East Law and Governance roundtable in which Fred Lawson, Morten Valbjorn, Curtis Ryan, May Darwich, Lisa Anderson, Marc Lynch, Jillian Schwedler and Bassel Salloukh revisit, debate, and build on Gause's work, highlighting its enduring influence on the field.

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