Steve Hayes is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, and Mike Warren to discuss the U.S. crossing the $40 trillion debt threshold and the prospect of “growing our way out of it.”

The Agenda:

—Kevin explains how we got here

—Entitlement spending

—What would Paul Ryan do

—The DOGE effort

—Growing our way out of debt

—NWYT: Adulthood disappointments

Show notes:

—Kevin's Wanderland

—Kevin on the tragedy of U.S. debt

—Steve Hayes on DOGE

—"DOGE—the UNIPARTY killed it because it was working too well."

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