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Clinical Experience Matters, Yet It Doesn't Transfer

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Timestamps:00:00 Introduction – Does clinical experience improve outcomes?00:46 Goldberg's study: outcomes decline with experience01:27 The new 2026 Saadet Zumbul and Dennis Kivlighan study02:25 Between-person vs. within-person analysis04:35 How Zumbul and Kivlighan's measured "experience" differently07:42 Key findings09:01 Why these findings differ from prior research10:53 The critical finding: experience didn't transfer between clients15:57 Haskell's Training vs. Education17:11 Coaching for performance vs. coaching for development19:43 Haskell's six levels of transfer of learning25:41 The Myth of Experience26:19 Wicked vs. Kind Learning Environments28:43 What the researchers concluded30:51 Upcoming workshop in Perth, 26-27 Nov 2026



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