How hierarchy forms and gets stuck in a feedback loop is something that many people have a hard time grasping. Today I’m speaking with Luke Kemp, author of the book Goliath’s Curse: The History and Future of Societal Collapse. The book does an incredible job of outlining aspects of rewilding that I have been teaching for many years, in a succinct way that illuminated more things I hadn’t factored into the big picture. In this episode Luke and I have a wide ranging conversation, covering various aspects of his work and filling in some of the blanks for me.

Show Notes:

Luke’s Academic Profile

Goliath’s Curse

Luke Kemp Talk at Berkeley Economy and Society Initiative

The Art of Not Being Governed by James C. Scott

Nurturing Our Humanity by Riane Eisler and Douglas Fry

Monumental Architecture: A Thermodynamic Explanation of Symbolic Behaviour by Bruce G. Trigger

The Great Leveler by Walter Scheidel

The Sources of Social Power by Michael Mann

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