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154.Margaret Heffernan: Why Great Leadership Needs Friction, Doubt and Better Questions

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(00:00:00) 154.Margaret Heffernan: Why Great Leadership Needs Friction, Doubt and Better Questions
(00:01:02) Why Leaders Love Failures
(00:04:04) Inspiration needs Friction
(00:09:08) From Inspiration to Next Steps
(00:12:46) Time and Cooling Off
(00:15:18) Efficiency Myth and Multitasking
(00:19:28) Isolation from the Coalface
(00:21:25) Trust Makes Leaders
(00:25:08) Inspiration Fuels Creativity
(00:29:28) Questions over Answers
(00:31:00) Running Towards Uncertainty
(00:33:33) Personal Practices and Listening

What if the very thing most leaders try to avoid, friction, is exactly what organisations need most?  

Sue Stockdale talks to entrepreneur, leadership thinker and bestselling author Margaret Heffernan who challenges some of the most common assumptions about leadership, innovation and inspiration. Drawing on decades of experience leading organisations and researching business success and failure, Margaret argues that progress rarely comes from certainty, speed or having all the answers. Instead, she makes the case for doubt, dissent, curiosity and collective intelligence. 

Sue and Margaret explore why leaders are often more interested in learning from failure than success, how organisations become trapped by an obsession with efficiency, and why inspiration alone is never enough to create meaningful change.

They discuss the importance of slowing down, asking better questions, listening deeply, and creating environments where people feel safe to challenge ideas. Margaret also shares practical insights from her own creative process, revealing how she develops ideas, writes books, and navigates uncertainty without rushing to easy answers.  

You will learn:

  • Why mistakes are often a leader's greatest source of learning
  • The difference between inspiration and implementation
  • How friction, challenge and doubt improve decision-making
  • Why leaders should ask better questions instead of providing answers
  • The dangers of prioritising efficiency over creativity
  • How collective intelligence outperforms individual brilliance
  • The importance of embracing uncertainty rather than avoiding it
  • Practical ways leaders can build more creative and resilient organisations

Key Quote
"The job of a leader is to create the conditions in which great people can do the best work of their lives." 

About Margaret Heffernan
Margaret Heffernan is an entrepreneur, CEO, keynote speaker and bestselling author whose books include Willful Blindness, Uncharted and Embracing Uncertainty. Her work explores leadership, innovation, organisational culture and the challenges of navigating an increasingly complex world.

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Host: Sue Stockdale 
Producer: Sue Stockdale  
Sound Editor: Matias De Ezcurra 

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