355: Managing costs and ROl of agentic Al initiatives (With John D'Emic)

In this episode, Dave speaks with John D'Emic, cofounder and CTO at Revenium, about the challenges organizations face in managing costs and ROI of agentic AI initiatives. John explains that the transition from pre-production to production often reveals gaps in economic visibility, leading to "agent debt" due to unanticipated costs from API calls and tool usage.