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Chris Ducker — serial entrepreneur, founder of Youpreneur, and author of The Long Haul Leader — joins Jim to talk about what happens when a business built on genuine passion still burns you out. Chris scaled to almost 500 employees, grew 5x in the first year of the pandemic, then hit a wall so hard he couldn't turn on his computer. The diagnosis: acute anxiety, depression, and phase three adrenal failure.

He shares why AI has a place in his business (ideation, team productivity) but never in the content that carries his personal brand, why "different beats better" as a competitive strategy, and why his recovery framework starts with family before it goes anywhere near the business. He's candid about the cost of his earlier pace, and equally candid that scaling down to a four-day week and a four-person team is something he earned after 22 years, not a shortcut available on day one.

A practical, honest conversation for any entrepreneur who's enjoying the work and still running themselves into the ground.

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