Pluto is a veteran of DeFi and cross chain systems, with prior stints at Thorchain and Airswap, now building Harbor, a native asset DEX. In this episode, we talk about the KelpDAO exploit and how DeFi can regain people's trust. Nic sits down with him to discuss:

  • What exactly happened with the KelpDAO/ Aave hack?
  • Will new AI models make hackers more proficient?
  • Is advanced AI a defensive or offensive technology for smart contracts?
  • Why protocol exposures are often not on chain
  • Why DeFi might want to segregate execution from settlement
  • Is it possible to have instant settlement and proactive monitoring
  • Do we have anything to learn from DeFi
  • What could Aave have done different?
  • Where did LayerZero go wrong?
  • Can DeFi work if there are occasional freezes and seizures?
  • Pluto's reflections on Thorchain
  • What Thorchain did right
  • Arbitrum's questionable precedent
  • What Pluto is building with Harbor
  • Where does DeFi go from here?

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