In this episode of the DevOps Toolchain Podcast, I sit down with Matt Fellows, co-founder of Pacflow and core maintainer of the PACT framework (now under SmartBear). We dive into the evolution of contract testing, how agentic AI tools like Copilot and Cursor are shaping testing workflows, and what the next 3–5 years might look like for API validation.
We also get real about:
Why test quality matters more in an AI-driven pipeline
How autonomous testing may reshape developer tooling
Whether AI-generated tests are improving code or just spreading bugs faster
Whether you're leading a QA team, building APIs, or navigating the DevOps–AI intersection, this episode has hard-earned insights from someone shaping the tools used by teams around the world.
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