It's the Euro episode! Tobias talked to two game-based learning researchers from his Scandanavian community. They have a great wide-ranging conversation about the strengths and limits of games and learning. Also, GBL withdrawal.

Tobias and I also discuss how play is an integral part of human (and rat!) nature, why letting kids pretend to be online trolls will help them defeat trolls, and The Washington Post's new video game and esports focused unit, Launcher.

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