I've ended every episode of Clemenz With a 'Z' with the same line for years: 'thanks for being a part of this messy middle with me.' It became such a reflex that I stopped asking myself what I actually meant by it.
This episode is my honest answer. And if you've ever left a system, a church, a belief structure, a tribe and found yourself wondering why you can't seem to land anywhere clean, this one is for you. The messy middle isn't a problem to solve. It might actually be the most honest place you've ever lived.
If something in this conversation resonated with you, I’d love to hear from you. You can email me at clemenzwithaz@gmail.com, or send me a DM over on Instagram at @clemenzwithazpodcast.
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This podcast keeps going because of listeners like you showing up, engaging, and passing it on. So thank you for being here, for listening, and for being part of this messy middle with me.
Until next time, take care of yourselves, and each other.
