Wayne Sawchuk joins Mark and Curtis to discuss what Canada’s 30 by 30 conservation goal could mean for working landscapes. Drawing on his foundational work to help establish the multi-use Muskwa-Kechika Management Area (M-KMA) in the Northern Rocky Mountains of British Columbia, Wayne explains why conservation works best when it’s built locally, balances protection with active land management, and includes the people who know the land. A conversation about wildlife, First Nations stewardship, and why lasting conservation takes time.

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