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Markus Lloyd and Antwuan Malone return for a timely conversation on power, race, and democracy in the United States.

What happens when the law says race can’t be used to exclude people… but also can’t be used to repair the damage caused by exclusion? Markus and Antwuan wrestle with the ongoing dismantling of voting protections, the myth of neutrality, the fear of losing power, and why these conversations matter for Christians navigating faith, justice, and culture today.

As they unpack the recent Supreme Court decision in Louisiana v. Callais, they discuss what it means for the future, from redistricting and representation to “colorblind” policies and racial equity. The conversation explores the deeper tensions underneath the headlines.

This episode continues the broader discussion on power from our last conversation, Fear, Power, & The American Church. 


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