The Better Planners Podcast is back for 2025! In this episode, Shelley and Mary interview James Rojas and John Kamp to talk about their new book, Dream Play Build: Hands On Community Engagement for Enduring Places and Spaces.

They talk extensively on their process with using hands-on community engagement methods to create an equal playing field for everyone to get involved in community planning work.

Find their book at Island Press.
Find James Rojas at PlaceIt.org.
Find John Kamp at Prairieform.com. 

Want to be a part of the podcast? Send in an email or voice message! 
The team behind the upcoming Better Planners podcast wants to hear from you about the real life issues you handle as a planner. What are the honest, gritty, wicked problems you find yourself managing?

To share your experiences, email betterplannerspodcast@gmail.com or leave a voice message by clicking: https://www.speakpipe.com/BetterPlannersPodcast
Your message might end up in one of the upcoming podcast episodes. You can be as anonymous or as identifiable as you want.

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Website: https://oregon.planning.org/community/betterplannerspodcast/
Instagram: @betterplanners 

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