What if the real problem isn’t what we think it is? When simple solutions don’t actually move the needle, it’s often a sign we’re treating symptoms, not systems. In this episode, Jeff Mohr talks with Matt Healey, founder of First Person Consulting, about how systems thinking and evaluation can help us move beyond surface-level problems.
They explore:
The difference between program evaluation and systems evaluation
Moving from problems to possibilities
Monitoring system health and finding leverage points
How to apply the System Effects approach in projects
Bridging the gap between insights and meaningful action
Whether you’re designing programs, mapping systems, evaluating impact, or trying to create lasting change, this conversation is packed with insights you can use!
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