I sat down with the one and only Benjamin Bender for a conversation that went in a lot of great directions.

One of the big questions we wrestled with was this: How do you know if God has truly called you into ministry, or if you’re simply a gifted leader who happens to be good at it?

We talked about calling, leadership, ministry, faithfulness, and what it looks like to discern the difference.

I really believe this conversation will challenge, encourage, and edify you. I hope you’ll take some time to listen.

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