In this episode, Dr. Debi sits down with Stacie Shifflett, founder of Modern Consciousness, to explore what it takes to move from anger and betrayal into clarity, intention, and joy. After her 28 year marriage imploded, Stacie refused to simply drift like a leaf bumping along the current. Instead she threw herself into over a decade of personal development, working with figures like Tony Robbins and Joe Dispenza, before surrendering to an idea she'd resisted for two years: building a company around everything she'd learned about the human condition. 

Stacie shares the moment she realized she didn't want to become the woman she met in a grief support group, someone who hadn't left her house in five years after losing a child, and how that realization became a turning point in her own healing. She and Dr. Debi dig into the real difference between insight and rumination, why intuition sounds different from your inner critic, and why intentionality, not a single big leap, is what actually moves people forward. 

Whether you're navigating divorce, betrayal, grief, or simply a season of disruption, this conversation offers a grounded, practical roadmap for reclaiming your peace of mind and choosing who you want to be next. 

In This Episode: 

  • Why Stacie describes her post-divorce self as 'a leaf going down the stream, bumping into rocks,' and the moment she decided to stop 

  • How two years of resistance turned into the founding of Modern Consciousness 

  • The real difference between insight and staying stuck in analysis 

  • A story from a grief support group that reframed how Stacie thinks about staying stuck versus moving forward 

  • Why 'sometimes the right thing to do is the hardest' became a phrase she coined for herself 

  • The difference between the voice of intuition and the voice of the ego, and how to tell them apart 

  • Why intentionality, not a single big decision, is what actually creates change 

  • How the Four Agreements shaped her early healing, especially the practice of not making assumptions 

  • Why she believes peace of mind is our greatest personal asset 

  • The one question she keeps coming back to: do you want to stay where you are? 

Resources Mentioned: 

  • Treasure Map to Joy — Stacie Shifflett (book, a parable of one woman's journey from disruption to joy) 

  • The Four Agreements — Don Miguel Ruiz 

  • The Five Stages of Betrayal Recovery — ThePBTInstitute.com 

Connect with Stacie Shifflett: 

  • Website: modernconsciousness.com 

Connect with Dr. Debi 

  • The PBT Institute: https://ThePBTInstitute.com 

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