Swiss musician Manuel Gagneux is the lead singer, guitarist, and mind behind the new rising band Zeal & Ardor, where he combines elements of black metal, electronic, and traditional black American music. Manuel talks with Looker and Lamar about the problem with calling artists "problematic", Negro spirituals, and his personal relationship with Satanism.

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