In this episode John talks to Daniel Koehler, the director of the GermanInstitute on Radicalization and Deradicalization Studies (GIRDS). Daniel is widely considered to be one of the world leading experts in relation to radicalisation and deradicalisation. In this episode they concentrate on his extensive deradicalisation research.

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