In this bonus episode, we share a special conversation between Mark and Anita Rao from the show Embodied. Together, they unpack how shame can limit male friendship, why many men funnel emotional needs into romantic relationships, and what it looks like to practice a different kind of closeness—one ritual, text thread, or brave conversation at a time.

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