This (EPIC) episode is a melding of episodes covering the history of women's health and medicine, featuring coversations with Dr Helen King and Dr Christie Vogler. First, Liv speaks with Professor Helen King about her new book Immaculate Forms, and the history of the female body. From the ancient world (women were wet and spongy) to the more modern (Man Discovers Clitoris). Plus, Artemis and periods. The original title of this episode which aired in 2024 is Conversations: Women Are Wet & Spongy, the History of the Female Body w/ Prof Helen King.

Then, Liv is joined by long time friend of the show, Dr Christie Vogler who talks about women of the Roman world who practiced medicine, in varied forms, and how these women were seen and understood in the wider Roman world. Follow Christie on Twitter and check out her podcast, Movies We Dig, part of the Memory Collective Podcast Network.

The original title of this episode which aired in 2022 is Conversations: The Intersection of Magic & Medicine, Women as Medica in the Ancient World w/ Dr. Christie Vogler.

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.

Attributions and licensing information for music used in the podcast can be found here: mythsbaby.com/sources-attributions.

Learn more about Liv's next group trip to GREECE, this time following along with Ariadne's escape from Theseus. Check out Liv's new book, The Odyssey: a Modern Retelling. Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby.

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