Just two albums, one almost-hit single, a handful of TV appearances, 100-or-so gigs: all of them 40-plus years ago. Ancient history! So, why are we - and so many others across the globe - still talking about Joy Division?

Today, we at Known Pleasures attempt to disentangle Factory from fiction as we try to understand how this unassuming quartet - armed only with a startlingly brilliant array of songs, and a genius, sometimes deeply eccentric producer managed this miraculous feat. 

Video version of this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi9fH7wcLzU

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