How do you hold your own when everything around you feels like it's falling down? I chopped it up with my brother Mike McGlynn for the latest instalment in our conversations series. Mike is a husband, a father, pastor and a creative juggernaut.

He's got a voice and message that I think our generation need and I'm so happy to share this conversation with you!

@michaelmcglynn

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